![]() The authoritative record of NPR’s programming is the audio record.Gallagher has been confined at the Naval Consolidated Brig Miramar in San Diego since his arrest on Sept. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at for further information. (SOUNDBITE OF PHIL FRANCE'S "THE SWIMMER")Ĭopyright © 2019 NPR. SHAPIRO: That's NPR Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman. And I'm told that the senior officers have set up an advisory board within the special operations community to look at the culture and the leadership in the community and to decide, are there overall problems? What can we do about it? Is it leadership problems, training? But they want to get to the bottom of it. SHAPIRO: And the impact of these pardons, these exonerations from President Trump.īOWMAN: That's a concern as well. So they're asking, you know, what's going on here? Is it too many deployments for these service members, too many firefights, seeing their friends killed? People are really concerned about it. Both the active and retired community - they're saying that maybe there's something going on here, not maintaining the standards of conduct, that noncommissioned officers and junior officers are not holding their troops accountable. SHAPIRO: When you talk to people in the military, what do they say is going on here? How do they explain this?īOWMAN: Well, they're really worried about it. Matt Golsteyn, who is set to stand trial in February - he was implicated in the killing of an alleged Afghan bombmaker back in 2010. Clint Lorance, who served six years of a 19-year sentence at Fort Leavenworth in Kansas - his own soldiers testified against him, Ari. President Trump cleared two Army officers, including one who was in jail for ordering his men to kill unarmed Afghans.īOWMAN: That's right. SHAPIRO: So a back and forth and back and forth - just to give us some context, beyond these SEALs, there are other high-profile similar cases. And President Trump, as commander in chief, of course, has the power to overturn this and make sure those SEALs still continue to wear the trident. We're hearing indications that Gallagher and maybe another of those SEALs will appeal directly to the White House in an effort to stop this process. And he has the support of the top leaders in the Pentagon.īut here's the thing, Ari. Collin Green, clearly wants to send a message about wrongdoing. And it appears again, the top SEAL commander, Adm. And removing their tridents would mean they are no longer SEALs, of course, and would either retire or maybe have to find other jobs in the Navy.Īnd so the process is, starting December 2, there'll be a review board meeting, I'm told, to decide on the tridents. But there were three other SEALs involved here who - they may remove their tridents as well - who oversaw Gallagher. And it might not mean much for Gallagher, who perhaps will retire. It's a great honor to have the trident, just like it is to wear the Army's green beret. Green, talking about doing now?īOWMAN: Well, they're talking about removing the trident, the symbol of the Navy SEAL. SHAPIRO: So seemingly in response to President Trump's action, what is the top Navy SEAL, Rear Adm. The president noted in his statement that Gallagher had been awarded a Bronze Star for valor and was being assigned to an important position as an instructor. And President Trump, of course, last week, ordered the military to restore his rank to chief petty officer. He was convicted, as you say, of a minor charge - of posing with a captive's corpse. Recap his case for us.īOWMAN: Well, Eddie Gallagher, a Navy SEAL, was acquitted of killing an Iraqi teenager with a hunting knife and other charges. SHAPIRO: First, tell us about the SEAL, Eddie Gallagher. ![]() NPR Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman is here in the studio with more. Collin Green is making moves to oust that SEAL and three others. A few days ago, President Trump cleared a SEAL who had been accused of war crimes and convicted of posing with a captive's corpse. ![]() The elite military force will decide on its own who meets its standards. Turning now to another story - the nation's top Navy SEAL has a message for fellow SEALs and maybe for the White House.
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